Don't be so obtuse, you know full well you will refuse answer the question because it's critical to the discussion.

 

Stop muddying the waters, you know that I freely admit that blacks create more crime than whites, what is my thesis and that of others and the one you continuously ignore is the effect of environment on the community, if you are in need of nothing then you don't need to commit crime, if as the majority of black communities are then you may turn to crime.

And who were buying these slaves. Rich whites or rich blacks?

 

The only Europeans and those of European ancestry in the New World who benefited from the slave trade and slavery were those who owned and traded slaves. Most whites did not. In the United State whites in slave states usually earned less money than whites with similar skills did in free states. Small farmers in slave states had difficulty competing economically with the plantations.

I am unaware of any diseases in the New World that Africans had immunities to, and that whites did not, unless they were diseases like yellow fever that Africans brought to the New World.

Before the coming of the whites the New World was comparatively disease free. The whites spread diseases like small pox and measles, which killed vast numbers of Indians. In Africa it was the other way around. Negroes had immunities to African diseases like malaria, sleeping sickness, and yellow fever that whites did not. These kept whites out of the interior of Africa until the development of medicines and vaccines against them in the second half of the nineteenth century.

 

Poor Orientals have considerably lower crime rates than poor blacks. I know, not only from reading, but from personal experience of living with both groups.

 

Instances of this were not common....not like in the Mesoamerican civilizations...

You FORGET that a large part of Africa (the wealthiest part) was already Islamicized.

Tell the Jews and the Persians how much of a "barbarian" species they are...

FYI, Aristotle is useful but he was wrong about a lot of stuff. Racism and the supremacy of one race over another is one of them...

 

My point, which I did not express sufficiently, is that empires have historically imposed civilization on barbarians, and thus spread civilization.

I did not say that every people conquered was barbarian. When a less civilized nation conquers a more civilized nation the results are not good. The results of the Mongolian conquests of the thirteenth century were to leave the Russians, the Chinese, the Persians, and the Arabs with a certain amount of xenophobia which persists to this day.

 

*not_secure_link*www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/ChineseOrgCrime.pdf

Page 27 onwards should interest you, your boys are not doing so well in reality are they.

 

You are wrong. In the south, as in Latin America, commodity exports served as the lifeblood of the economy. Without slaves, economic success would have been untenable.

Not to mention that commodity trading in Europe led to the rise of the entrepreneurial class, international banking, and the Industrial Revolution.

After first-contact in the New World, diseases switched hands like cash at a casino. By the early 16th century, yellow fever and malaria were entrenched in across the continent and the only people who were best suited to deal with those diseases were Africans.

 

Civilization vs Barbarianism?

Why must the way of the polis be the ONLY way to live? Why must the only way to document the success, happiness, and longevity of a people be rooted in its material culture?

That's the tragedy of the Native Americans. They lived with such an affinity for spiritualism and nature only to be exploited by Europeans because they were lacking in material culture.

 

Who do you think BUILT most of the great US cities of the south? Who do you think drained the swamp and built Washington DC?

C'mon, DL....

 

I have never said that Chinese never commit crimes. If the report you linked to says that that their participation in organized crime is in greater proportion to their population numbers than whites or blacks, please excerpt that part.

Meanwhile I will leave you with this:

Orientals are under-represented in U.S. crime statistics...

A 1996 government commission in Ontario, Canada, reported that Blacks were five times more likely go to jail than Whites, and 10 times more likely than Orientals. In Brazil, there are 1.5 million Orientals, mostly Japanese whose ancestors went there as laborers in the 19th century, and who are the least represented in crime...

Rates of murder, rape, and serious assault were four times higher in African and Caribbean countries than in Asian or Pacific Rim countries...

Orientals are under-represented in mental health statistics...

A study carried out in French-speaking Quebec looked at 825 four- to six-year-olds from 66 countries. The immigrant children were rated by 50 teachers in preschool classes. The teachers found more adjustment and less hostility among Oriental children than among White children.
*not_secure_link*www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf

 

Whites did the engineering and planing, and most of the physical work also.

You are writing mainly of municipal work. I do not believe state and local governments in the South owned slaves.

 

Clearly the OP isn't guilty enough to not speak in a way that's stereotypically associated with black people by white people like him or herself. Kind of ironic to mention white guilt while shamelessly speaking that way specifically because it's stereotypically associated with black people. My guess is that the OP doesn't have white guilt but instead is resentful of the fact that there are people out there who have suffered because of privileged whites like him or herself.

I came across this page when searching the internet to see if non-Christians had been leaving the Midwest after the killings the other week, which going by the lack of anything written about such flight, I must assume that it isn't happening. I'm more than a bit surprised that people would stay in a place where they're subject to such hostility by privileged white people instead of moving to the East Coast where they can be accepted for who they are and actually welcomed into a community instead of having to defer to privileged white people. *not_secure_link*uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100417231012AAJPIIu

No group has ever taken over a place in order to civilize the people living there. That's just one of the many lies they try to tell in order to justify the despicable acts they commit to innocent people and even innocent women and children like the cowards that they are. Also, the majority of males on this forum or people in general on this forum really are typical entitled white people. Between the revisionist history spewed by michael_saint and richief, as well as the blatant, entitled racism, neither have a leg to stand on when talking about DL. At least DL says what he says because of personal experiences of being victimized, not because he's a typical entitled white person.

As for white guilt, every person with white skin who doesn't come from poor immigrant ancestors should feel white guilt because every opportunity they have came from the things white people are made to feel guilty for. I have no white guilt and never will because I am a son of toil.

 

EXCEPT you forget that it was not always this way, DL. In the early 20th century, China had some of the highest drug addiction rates in the world (possibly in history).

It took the infamous Cultural Revolution to change all of that in a relatively short period of time. I guess you are okay with those methods?

 

History of Malaria Parasite and its Global Spread

It is believed that most, if not all, of today's populations of human malaria may have had their origin in West Africa (P. falciparum) and West and Central Africa (P. vivax) on the basis of the presence of homozygous alleles for hemoglobin C and RBC Duffy negativity that confer protection against P. falciparum and P. vivax respectively. Recent molecular studies have found evidence that human malaria parasites probably jumped onto humans from the great apes, probably through the bites of vector mosquitoes.
*not_secure_link*www.malariasite.com/malaria/history_parasite.htm

 

The Opium trade was forced on the Chinese by the British. The British wanted to import tea from China and Opium was the only thing the Chinese seemed willing to buy from them. The Chinese government tried to stop the Opium trade. The British defeated them in the two Opium wars in order to maintain their ability to sell the Chines opium.

 

No they didn't. Not because they were lazy but because they were more likely die. People got the message quick and there was always a labor shortage for municipal construction projects in major Southern cities (where yellow fever and malaria outbreaks were common)...

 

I made a serious error. Sorry. The Europeans did not introduce malaria to Africa. That was a stupid thing to say...

 

It doesn't negate the fact that China was a mess because a significant amount of its population were junkies..

 

During the nineteenth and twentieth centuries history was unkind to China.

For a number of reasons China was ill prepared for the onslaught of the West.

When the Mongolian conquerors were expelled in 1368 with the end of the Yuan Dynasty the Chinese became xenophobic and unwilling to learn from other countries. The Imperial Exam System emphasized the study of classics over one thousand years old rather than scientific works.

The Manchu Dynasty, which began to rule in 1644 was, like the Yuan Dynasty, a foreign dynasty imposed by conquest, so it was unable to enlist Chinese nationalism. When the Europeans and especially the British began to demand trade concessions from the Chinese, and even the right to occupy parts of China, the Manchu Dynasty had entered into the organic decadence that each Chinese Dynasty entered into after a century or so.

When the Manchu Dynasty was overthrown in 1912, the Chinese had a first rate leader in Sun Yat Sen. Unfortunately, after his death no one with his leadership abilities and integrity replaced him. Mao Tse Tung and Chaing Kai Shek were dictators who valued personal power more than the good of China.

China is on the mend. I expect China to dominate the world indefinitely into the future.